Richdent13
Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:31:04 PM
Back in the 1960s, "Gooding's Million Dollar Midway" was a great name for that carnival and one that conjured up a first class image.
This is a question for folks who have too much time on their hands, but what would you buy if you had a million dollars today to start your own carnival? Would you go with a just a few new rides or buy a bunch of old "classic" rides from Usedrides.com? Figuring in generator trucks, food joints, games and the whole operation, what would you buy if you had exactly a million and could only spend it on a carnival? (Let's assume no payroll, inspection fees, health permits or insurance payments will be due for awhile.)
Pizzagod
Sunday, June 6, 2010 12:49:04 PM
I'd give somebody $100 to kick the crap out of me for having that kind of an idea, and then invest and live off the remaining $999,900.

Hell-even without investing, that's like $50G's a year for the next twenty years. Bills all paid, I think I could be happy with about a grand a week free and clear.


For one dollar I'll guess your weight, your height, or your sex.
Prof. Lee Kolozsy
Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:13:19 PM
Like I told Milt last time I saw him...

Looks like a million dollars doesn't buy a whole lot of midway these days...
Prof.
Why stir it...
when you can fling it directly into the fan...

kool-aid kid
Sunday, June 6, 2010 1:16:17 PM
You can't buy sh'' these days with a milling
Dollars, let alone trying to open a carnival,
It can't be done.
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Sunday, June 6, 2010 2:39:32 PM
i would go buy some contracts ,suitecase all the spots and keep most of the money.
with it and all for it
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johnroach100
Sunday, June 6, 2010 4:40:03 PM
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Originally posted by kool-aid kid

You can't buy sh'' these days with a milling
Dollars, let alone trying to open a carnival,
It can't be done.



It can be done for a lot less than a million. 6-7 decent majors, a few kid rides, popper, grab, and a few joints. One tractor, couple of pickups and box trucks. Everything used of course. You'll spend at most $500,000 of your million. That's the only way to be sure you end the season with a half million.
mcarnyforlife
Sunday, June 6, 2010 6:40:17 PM
Cool, though a million doesn't go far in this business if you buy new you could deinitely still make a very good investment going old school, that Turbo mentioned a few topics ago for 20g would be my choice, thats only cuz I worked on the same one, and they are fun; pobably have to go with a super slide and a beer bust for a joint, ain't nothin funner than throwing base balls at beer bottles, yee haw. Would way rather redo an old Himalaya or Bobs, pretty much anything old to rebuild is what I would do.
violence is the last refuge of the incompetent....AYN RAND
cny_chris
Sunday, June 6, 2010 6:45:33 PM
A couple years back, secret.squirrel posted an analysis of putting together a new show, and what it would take $$-wise to do it. I don't believe it's in the archives, but I think I have a copy of it somewhere here. I'll dig it up, and repost it for the newcomers that haven't seen it before.
"A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step." - Lao-Tsu

"Faith is taking the first step, even when you don't see the whole staircase." - Martin Luther King Jr.

"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." - Robert F. Kennedy
johnroach100
Sunday, June 6, 2010 7:30:05 PM
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Originally posted by mcarnyforlife

Cool, though a million doesn't go far in this business if you buy new you could deinitely still make a very good investment going old school, that Turbo mentioned a few topics ago for 20g would be my choice, thats only cuz I worked on the same one, and they are fun; pobably have to go with a super slide and a beer bust for a joint, ain't nothin funner than throwing base balls at beer bottles, yee haw. Would way rather redo an old Himalaya or Bobs, pretty much anything old to rebuild is what I would do.



I'd look for anything old that was solid except for paint. Rebuilding costs more than paint and rollers.

The guy on Dixieland had a redneck beer bust, throw the bottle at a cinderblock swinging on a rope. I like that. When things are slow the old standards make money but something different is nice too.
carnivalrider
Sunday, June 6, 2010 7:39:31 PM
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Originally posted by cny_chris

A couple years back, secret.squirrel posted an analysis of putting together a new show, and what it would take $$-wise to do it. I don't believe it's in the archives, but I think I have a copy of it somewhere here. I'll dig it up, and repost it for the newcomers that haven't seen it before.



I think that would be amazing to see.
Fan of Traveling Carnivals.
cny_chris
Sunday, June 6, 2010 7:41:44 PM
Found the post I referred to above. It's no longer in the archives, so I've cut and pasted it below for all to see. The original post topic asked members to put together an 8-10 ride show, using equipment listed on UsedRides.com at the time, with a challenge to keep it under $500,000 in total cost. Squirrel's reply was so thought out, that it popped into my mind when this topic was posted. So without further ado, here's a classic MCW blast from the past:

Reply author: secret.squirrel
Replied on: 01/22/2004 10:07:34 PM
Message:

I spent way too much time thinking this all out, but I wanted to give the most complete amount if information I could come up with. It will be kinda hard to follow, and my addition might be wrong in some places as I added it up in a hurry.

The Show contains the following equipment
- fleet chosen from various used vehicle internet sites
- remaining equipment chosen from usedrides.com except for Bair Bro's Bulgy's ;)
- Wherever Cost 2 is noted = this is the total if all rides are purchased in first year.
- IF only additional 4 rides not purchased in first season, Genset #1 can be eliminated and all costs adjusted accordingly as it is not needed.


Fleet/Bunkhouses/Office

1 Twin-screw tractor: $25,000 used
1 Single-screw tractor: $18,000 used
1 Two-Ton Box Van: $10,000 used
2 One-Ton Pickups: $17,000/pair used
1 10 room bunkhouse: $10,000-15,000 used
1 28ft. Office Trailer: $7,500 used + 500 to paint = $8,000
2 2 seller ticket boxes: $11,495 used (w/trailer) + 500 to paint = $12,000


Power - 2 Gensets (seperate trailers)
-------------------------------------
1: 450kw Caterpillar / $55,000 / #18967
2: 250kw Caterpillar / $25,000 / #18978
(might swing $70,000 for pair)


Food/Games

1 Popper/Food: ----- $20,000 / #19381
Skee-ball: --------- $35,000 / #19702
Basketball: -------- $ 5,900 / #19723
Balloon/Crossbow: -- $26,000 / #19611
Machine Gun: ------- $13,000 / #19610
Hi-Striker: -------- $ 1,300 / #19574


Rides

#00000 - Bulgy's (Bair Bros) ---------- $ 7,500
#18250 - Carousel --------------------- $50,000 + 5,000 in work = $55,000
#18135 - F-80 Airplane ---------------- $10,000
#19186 - T/M Hampton Combo ------------ $25,000
#19132 - G/M Mini-Himilaya ------------ $15,000

#18183 - Raiders ---------------------- $90,000
#09021 - Slide (100ft.) --------------- $20,000
#19717 - Tilt-a-Whirl ----------------- $35,000
#18088 - Wipeout --------------------- $100,000
#19263 - Zipper ----------------------- $20,000 + 10,000 spare parts = $30,000

For Addition during Second Season: (bonus rides)

#08341 - Hampton Tubs of Fun (T/M) ---- $15,000
#00000 - Moonwalk Ride ------------ Approx $500 to $5,000
#18518 - Fabbri Kamikazee ------------ $195,000
#17922 - Flying Bobs ------------------ $30,000 + $50,000 = $80,000
-------- plus up to $50,000 in parts to make operational



Totals

Fleet/Misc: $100,000 - $105,000
Power: $ 70,000 - $ 80,000
Food/Games: $101,200
Rides: $387,500
(season 2) $290,500 - $295,000

- or $ 658,700 - $ 663,700 (no ins. - paid throughout season see below)
- or $ 949,200 - $ 954,200 (no ins. - paid throughout season see below)
(all rides bought in 1st season)

All Startups should have 20% financing over 3 years added to them
as well for true total amount owed to financier over season!

Cost 1:--- 663,700 * 20% + that 20% = $796,440 ($132,740 interest)
Cost 2:--- 949,200 * 20% + that 20% = $1,139,040 ($189,840 interest)



Operating Expenses (weekly)

Payroll:
14 operators @ 250/wk (for 10 rides) = 3,500
20 operators @ 250/wk (for 14 rides) = 5,000
1 maintenance/electric @ 500/wk
1 ride super @ 500/wk
1 lot forman @ 500/wk
1 concessions foreman @ 250/wk + 10% of games show owns
5 drivers @ 200/wk (to keep good drivers - only need them 1 night/wk)
3 popper operators paid out of popper profit
(no charge to show for no priv. charge)

$6,250/wk to $7,750/wk in payroll + game percentage to concession mgr.

Transport Fuel: anywhere from $500/wk to $5,000/wk
Diesel to run: $400/wk for 2 plants (1st season) - 500/wk (2nd season)

Generic Operating Cost/Wk: $7,150 to $13,250

Generic operating costs do not include:
Fleet Maintenance Costs, Ride Maintenance Costs,
Money needed for Winter Quartering of Rides,
Ticket Box Supplies (Armbands/Tickets/Posters),
Insurance Payments, and Finance Payments
(see below for some details)


Insurance and Financing
- based on 40 week operating season

Insurance: 100,000 per year for this lineup (approx.)
100,000 insurance over 40 weeks = $2,500 per week in insurance

Financing:
Loans are 3 years, 20% interest (totals are figured above)

Cost 1:--- 796,440 / 3 years = $265,480 per year or $6,637 per week
Cost 2:- 1,139,040 / 3 years = $379,680 per year or $9,492 per week

All this together means that for The Show to
survive you must gross the following profits
weekly to pay your bills and make money.

Cost Plan 1: 6,637 + 2,500 + 7,150 = 16,287 or $20,000/week to BARELY make it.
Cost Plan 2: 9,492 + 2,500 + 13,250 = 25,242 or $30,000/week to BARELY make it.

Neither of these two weekly gross goals will cover hidden costs
like emergencies or the following (not limited to these, either):
Fleet Maintenance Costs, Ride Maintenance Costs,
Money needed for Winter Quartering of Rides,
Ticket Box Supplies (Armbands/Tickets/Posters)



"A journey of a thousand miles must begin with a single step." - Lao-Tsu

"Faith is taking the first step, even when you don't see the whole staircase." - Martin Luther King Jr.

"Only those who dare to fail greatly can ever achieve greatly." - Robert F. Kennedy
johnroach100
Sunday, June 6, 2010 8:30:07 PM
I spent many years with a 14 ride show that the owner said he would sell for $300,000 and was replying and hit the wrong key and lost the reply, damn. I haven't seen these rides advertised but I know I can buy them for the prices listed.

Here goes again:

Slide: $30,000
Gravitron: 50,000
Eyerly Rock: 35,000
scrambler: 30,000
Trabant: 50,000
Musical Chairs: 25,000
MGR: 20,000
Hampton: 10,000
Hampton: 12,000
Skyfighter: 7,500
Kidstown: 15,000
Berry ride: 20,000
generator: 10,000
bunk house 7,500
wiring, etc. 5,000
Popper 20,000
Grab 15,000
Office 10,000

That's well under the million buck limit but I can spent the rest if you insist.
Carnie_Joe930
Monday, June 7, 2010 6:58:12 AM
If I had a million to invest, I'd start Carnie Joe's "Ho's and Whiskey Amusements"......
bill m
Monday, June 7, 2010 10:06:19 AM
HEY JOE

When you get that million and buy that HO & WHISKEY SHOW
I would like to book a girl show,2 over & unders,1 blower,1
pin store,and an octopus razzel. I know 4 Jewish mathmatitians
4 pill heads,8 lushes,and 1 guy with no habits - all ready to
go to work.
Bill M
Prof. Lee Kolozsy
Tuesday, June 8, 2010 10:19:36 AM


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Originally posted by bill m

HEY JOE

When you get that million and buy that HO & WHISKEY SHOW
I would like to book a girl show,2 over & unders,1 blower,1
pin store,and an octopus razzel. I know 4 Jewish mathmatitians
4 pill heads,8 lushes,and 1 guy with no habits - all ready to
go to work.



Need a reliable roughie?

I'm at liberty...
Prof.
Why stir it...
when you can fling it directly into the fan...