LB Shows Mini Midway
Friday, December 4, 2009 6:14:18 AM
Hello.

It was suggested that I move this post to this forum, so here it is.

I am fairly new to this group so please bear with me if this topic has already been discussed...

I have been curious for the past couple years what caused or what was the reason for Cumberland Valleys Shows' tremendous downsizing or demise? Was it the deaths of Baxter and Floyd Sr? Economy? Bad business? Or just downsizing to do a high quality small show?

Please note, I am not at all trying to bash CVS, rather, I am curious.

It seems like in the early to mid 2000s all their good gear started being sold or disappearing (Wave Swinger, Chance Wheel, Super Himalaya, now the Reverchon Himalaya is even sold I hear [:(]).

They were once a grand show that, in my opinion, was WONDERFUL and now they're down to like 20 rides?

I'm just curious what happened?
Thanks for any insight.


squirrel
Friday, December 4, 2009 7:13:27 AM
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Originally posted by LB Shows Mini Midway

Hello.

It was suggested that I move this post to this forum, so here it is.

I am fairly new to this group so please bear with me if this topic has already been discussed...

I have been curious for the past couple years what caused or what was the reason for Cumberland Valleys Shows' tremendous downsizing or demise? Was it the deaths of Baxter and Floyd Sr? Economy? Bad business? Or just downsizing to do a high quality small show?

Please note, I am not at all trying to bash CVS, rather, I am curious.

It seems like in the early to mid 2000s all their good gear started being sold or disappearing (Wave Swinger, Chance Wheel, Super Himalaya, now the Reverchon Himalaya is even sold I hear [:(]).

They were once a grand show that, in my opinion, was WONDERFUL and now they're down to like 20 rides?

I'm just curious what happened?
Thanks for any insight.





I think there were some equipment sold to NAME or another operation - cny_chris will be able to find it in the archives if it's here. Also, one of the members here is a ranking official at CVS, maybe he can shed details for you --
sausageseller
Friday, December 4, 2009 7:20:24 AM
I think when the buyout came from NAME, their business model did not including booking rides in.
Therefore many things changed, not just for CVS but for many others.
Jackpotter
Friday, December 4, 2009 7:30:28 AM
Yes, the Feurball along with a few bigger pieces and spots went to NAME...this would have been back somewhere around 2006 or so.
Matt C.
Friday, December 4, 2009 8:01:01 AM
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Yes, the Feurball along with a few bigger pieces and spots went to NAME...this would have been back somewhere around 2006 or so.



All Star's unit 1 has the Feurer Ball now.
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BeauceCarnavalMan
Friday, December 4, 2009 3:47:56 PM
Also NAME hurt them cause they used to always book with Conklin for thire Dade country and Westchester (Yonkers) spots. but with Conklin being sold to NAME they sold out the big pieces and a few big spots to them
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cny_chris
Friday, December 4, 2009 5:14:49 PM
NAME bought 5 contracts and 9 rides from CVS in late 2005/early 2006, according to the February 2006 Carnival Magazine. Rides in the deal were: Giant Wheel, Feuerball, Scorpion, Tilt, Cliffhanger, Rainbow, Tornado, Mardi Gras, Mega Loop, and Jumpin' Jumbos. Fairs were Kentucky State Fair, Porter Co. (IN) Fair, Monroe Co. (MI) Fair, Dothan Peanut Festival, and Lake Co. (FL) Fair. The MCW archives unfortunately don't go back quite that far, so I don't have a link to the discussion here.

The Wave Swinger went to Michael Wood last year, I believe.

The Reverchon Himmy, Wildcat coaster, and some other pieces went to Geren for Coney Island this year(was discussed here earlier this year).

The NAME deal happened when J.D. Floyd was still alive. I recall him saying at a circus/carnival fan event in Sarasota that he had put a substantial amount of money into the show since 9/11 to keep it operating. I have to believe the downsizing was a smart business move for the show.
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coney girl
Friday, December 4, 2009 5:25:59 PM
I remember reading about it in Tom Powell's column in AB. Sure enough, found it on the web. It was in Dec 2005...
(http://www.allbusiness.com/services/amusement-recreation-services/4569611-1.html)


Fred Rosen, CEO of North American Midway Entertainment, was at the Mandalay Bay, along with Frank Conklin and Alfie Phillips of Conklin Shows; Danny Huston and Jim Wegerly of Mid America Shows, Jeff Blomsness and Steve Thebault of Blomsness-Thebault Enterprises, and Mike Williams and Terry Foreman of Farrow Shows, the carnivals that make up NAME.

It appears Cumberland Valley Shows will be joining NAME, depending on several conditions for some of the rides and six of the fairs played by J.D. Floyd's company. CVS had its headquarters this year at the Paris Hotel.

The arrangement, when finalized, would have NAME taking over 10 pieces and six fairs, while Cumberland Valley, with J.D. and his grandsons Jason and Jeremy Floyd going back to an all-Tennessee route, as it was when J.D. and his partner, the late Billy Baxter, bought the show in the early 1970s from Lavoy Winton, now deceased. Floyd has mentioned that he likes the ideas of a route with nothing but short jumps. J.D.'s sister,

Jane Baxter, already books rides at many of NAME's best spots, along with others, such as the Errol-McKoy-managed State Fair of Texas in Dallas.

The fairs involved, which must first give their consent for the deal to become final, are Porter County, Valparaiso, Ind.; Monroe County, Monroe, Mich.; Bartholomew County, Columbus, Ind.; Kentucky State Fair, Louisville; National Peanut Festival, Dothan, Ala.; and Lake County, Eustis, Fla. The latter, set for April 6-15, is appealing because NAME appears at Miami-Dade County Fair right before that, March 16-April 2.

Of Dothan, Floyd has stated, "I have made a big spot out of it." He has also complained about having had to take money from his own pocket to cover expenses the past several years. Cumberland Valley booked rides from Reithoffer Shows at Dothan this year and has worked with Reithoffer at the Georgia National Fair in Perry and the Pensacola (Fla.) Interstate Fair in the past.


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coney girl
Friday, December 4, 2009 5:36:59 PM
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Originally posted by BeauceCarnavalMan

Also NAME hurt them cause they used to always book with Conklin for thire Dade country and Westchester (Yonkers) spots. but with Conklin being sold to NAME they sold out the big pieces and a few big spots to them



Sadly, the Westchester County Fair was cancelled in 2003 due to construction of video lottery terminals at Yonkers raceway and is no more. A lot of people in the county still wonder what happened to their fair! You're right, CVS did bring their rides there, I could see several years worth of parking stickers on the semis when Geren brought the rides to Coney Island this summer.
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cny_chris
Friday, December 4, 2009 5:52:03 PM
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Originally posted by BeauceCarnavalMan

Also NAME hurt them cause they used to always book with Conklin for thire Dade country and Westchester (Yonkers) spots. but with Conklin being sold to NAME they sold out the big pieces and a few big spots to them



Sadly, the Westchester County Fair was cancelled in 2003 due to construction of video lottery terminals at Yonkers raceway and is no more. A lot of people in the county still wonder what happened to their fair! You're right, CVS did bring their rides there, I could see several years worth of parking stickers on the semis when Geren brought the rides to Coney Island this summer.
http://www.flickr.com/ph...27469924@N06/3791941264/ 





The VLT/Casino construction story that was given as the reason for cancelling Westchester (Yonkers) was a bunch of BS. The work area for the construction did not impact the fair location, not to mention the Yonkers site is fairly sizable. The construction was used as an excuse, from all appearances... someone didn't want the fair there any more, so it got killed.
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Jackpotter
Friday, December 4, 2009 6:22:54 PM
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Originally posted by cny_chris



The NAME deal happened when J.D. Floyd was still alive. I recall him saying at a circus/carnival fan event in Sarasota that he had put a substantial amount of money into the show since 9/11 to keep it operating. I have to believe the downsizing was a smart business move for the show.



I can vouch for that quote! I was there at that event and have it somewhere on video....but.....of all the tapes to lose, that one is one that I can't find. It will surface one of these days from the vault.
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Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:46:46 AM
minis 1 or 2 rides, the current cumblerland valley shows is pretty close to the old one. They are moving the band organ, entrance gates and all of that stuff.
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JustinJames
Saturday, December 5, 2009 8:03:22 AM
Every show can go through a transformation. CVS has done so for the better. Still 1st class.
cny_chris
Saturday, December 5, 2009 4:54:58 PM
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Every show can go through a transformation. CVS has done so for the better. Still 1st class.



ALWAYS FIRST CLASS....


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Jackpotter
Saturday, December 5, 2009 6:24:47 PM
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minis 1 or 2 rides, the current cumblerland valley shows is pretty close to the old one. They are moving the band organ, entrance gates and all of that stuff.



Although it's a nice show and Jeremy is doing a great job, it's not close to the old one when they moved the Reverchon Himi, Skywheel, the Mack Himi, the Wave Swinger, the Giant Wheel, the Feuerball, F&B Scooter and those bigger pieces. Not a knock, just saying there is a difference now and as the article posted points out, there was/is a reason for that.

CVS always looked incredible back from the mid 80's through early 2000's at the Kentucky State Fair with those pieces plus a few book ons. It was really one of the "big players" back in the day.

I'm glad it's still around. The logo and slogan are among my favorites and I think Jeremy has a nice lineup now for the fairs/spots he plays, plus he is able to book on pieces as needed from some other quality shows to help out as well.