LB Shows Mini Midway
Monday, January 23, 2012 10:53:49 AM
Hello folks, here's a weird question that I'm sure will produce MANY answers.

Okay, here's the general set up: 50 rides, 20 food joints, and 25 game joints... Are there any estimates of how many employees a carnival this size may have? I know many real companies contract food and game joints, but that is a moot point to me in the model world.

I am building bunkhouses to go on my layout and I want to try and make an appropriate amount. I know it's a vague question, but I'm just looking for a general answer.

Thanks so much for the help.


Fabbri_Guy
Monday, January 23, 2012 12:15:54 PM
For an entire show probably 40-50 people.
JustinJames
Monday, January 23, 2012 12:47:34 PM
The humorous answer is 32 guys to run rides, 25 to run games, 20 to run the food, one for the office and 15 guys with radios to walk around and pretend to work![jedi]

BUT, if you scale away the last part of the joke the numbers are close. LOL
LB Shows Mini Midway
Monday, January 23, 2012 1:51:21 PM
Even for a show the size of the one described above? If so, I was WAY overestimating. I figured for 50 rides, 20 food, and 25 games probably 150-175.
SideWinder
Monday, January 23, 2012 3:08:23 PM
Originally Posted by: LB Shows Mini Midway 

Hello folks, here's a weird question that I'm sure will produce MANY answers.

Okay, here's the general set up: 50 rides, 20 food joints, and 25 game joints... Are there any estimates of how many employees a carnival this size may have? I know many real companies contract food and game joints, but that is a moot point to me in the model world.

I am building bunkhouses to go on my layout and I want to try and make an appropriate amount. I know it's a vague question, but I'm just looking for a general answer.

Thanks so much for the help.



Your talking a couple hundred people EASILY....
LB Shows Mini Midway
Monday, January 23, 2012 3:10:51 PM
Originally Posted by: SideWinder 

Your talking a couple hundred people EASILY....



That sounds closer to what I would expect. Thank you for the help.

So I guess if I have bunkhouses, enough to accommodate 252, then I would be pretty close?
Benjibear
Monday, January 23, 2012 3:13:58 PM
You need more games. A 50 ride show would be selling much more real estate than 25 games.

Assume at least 1 operator per ride but any major rides you should assume 2. Assume at least 1 operator per game, but again some may have 2. Each food joint should have 2-3 people. Add another 10-20% for management.

Not all would live in bunk houses. Some would live in RV's.
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LB Shows Mini Midway
Monday, January 23, 2012 3:20:45 PM
Originally Posted by: Benjibear 

You need more games. A 50 ride show would be selling much more real estate than 25 games.

Assume at least 1 operator per ride but any major rides you should assume 2. Assume at least 1 operator per game, but again some may have 2. Each food joint should have 2-3 people. Add another 10-20% for management.

Not all would live in bunk houses. Some would live in RV's.



More games are actually in the works as well. I'm trying to build up my layout with non-ride items (bunks, office, tables, benches, games, etc.). All the little details that add a touch of realism. Glad to know I'm on the right track. Thank you.


ringmaster
Monday, January 23, 2012 3:37:13 PM
And then ,,,,,,, Grab joints at an event that would support fifty rides would hire a lot of local help.
Skywheelrider
Monday, January 23, 2012 4:55:39 PM
Games are whatever you wish, there is no 'correct' number. Twenty five sounds fine, a lot of shows have cut way back on games, McDonaghs would have 20-22 rides set up, and about ten or eleven games. As for help, well, at least one per ride. Some rides (like the Sky Wheel, Himalaya, Bobs, Giant Wheel, etc.) require at least two or three or maybe more operators. Games, at least one, maybe two, then food wagons, from my experience watching operations the last few years, at least three in most wagons. Then you have break guys for the rides, show electrician(s), maintenance staff, office staff (two, maybe three), ticket sellers, trash guys (unless, like it was with McDonagh's, break guys also pick up trash in between giving the ride guys breaks), and of course local spot help can and is hired quite often, they go home at night. Benji is right too, not everyone stays in a bunkhouse. Some have their own trailer, some guys also are CDL drivers and stay in tractors, a lot of different factors to consider.
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Skywheelrider
Monday, January 23, 2012 4:59:53 PM
Originally Posted by: Fabbri_Guy 

For an entire show probably 40-50 people.



Fifty rides, twenty five joints, and twenty food wagons? No way, unless you hire a ton of local help! But even then, not nearly enough folks. Heck, with McDonaghs, twenty to twenty two rides, six food wagons, ten or eleven games, all told there was way more than fifty people working!
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Monday, January 23, 2012 5:21:08 PM
Take a look at your lot setup. You're going to find when it's all said and done, everything tends to stay fairly proportional relative to each other. When you build/buy Bunkhouses, you'll notice when there are too many on the lot, or when you don't have enough. Same goes for anything: Joints, Semis, Generators, etc.
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JustinJames
Monday, January 23, 2012 5:27:48 PM
My bad I totally thought it said 30 rides. LOL But that said depending on the ride you would need at least one or two per ride. Gravitrons, Bobs, Himalayas and Rings are an example of rides you are supposed to have two on. Slide is another.
LB Shows Mini Midway
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 9:17:42 AM
Wow, this turned into a far more technical issue that I originally had planned. hehe.

I really do appreciate all the insight. I didn't consider factors like local help, CDL guys in the cabs, trash guys, electricians, etc.

This definitely gives me a general idea of what to think about when counting up the number of workers.

Thanks again for everyone's help.
ringmaster
Tuesday, January 24, 2012 2:28:51 PM
And you can selectively compress. Four bunkhouses, three of one make one of an other and a coupe of, Woodland Scenic Figures barbecuing orf playing knock, and a couple of different style RVs and campers.
You aren't planing on putting all the cars in the parking lot, after all.