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Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:09:23 PM
Showman could respond with their perspective on what works, but they don't contribute here. gunshy, paranoid, can't spell? Who knows. All the rest have to play the guessing game.
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Benjibear
Wednesday, September 8, 2010 1:57:13 PM
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I just saw an ad in the paper for York Fair and Reithoffer is doing $19 wristbands and I beleive if you prepurchase it is less (maybe $15). That appears resonable compared to the entrance fee of $6 just to get in the place.



Benjibear, so how much is the insurance that the fairgrounds pays? How many people through the gate to pay that nut? You seem to be the expert on "what is to much" so you must have the inside knowledge to these and other fixed cost prices to make such a grand statement that 6 dollars is to much to pay to get in. What about the free acts? Does the fair pay any non profit group to park cars? pick up trash? These questions should easily be answered by you, beccause only after having that type of information could you make an informed statement.

My take on things is this, if you are working the same job as you did 5 years ago did you get a raise? Are your utility bills the same as 5 years ago? Insurance the same? Medial costs. . . THEN WHY DO YOU INSIST THAT THE CARNIVALS AND FAIRS TAKE A PAY CUT WHEN YOU AREN'T AND WHEN YOUR HOUSEHOLD EXPENSES GO UP DON'T YOU THINK THAT A SHOWS EXPENSES WILL ALSO GO UP?

As for Chris's questions I am really waiting to see what is working in general and what isn't. There are so many places to spend your entertainment dollars these days the carnival is competing against movies, video rentals (those damn red boxes)video games and computer games just to name a few. Fairs and festivals used to be used as a homecoming for communities now with facebook and other sites peoople stay in touch year around and local festivals aren't used as the yearly gathering place. Thus a drop in attendance.





I have lived in York now for 12 years. I understand that expenses have gone up and the fair needs to make the nut. However, I live here, I read the local paper, and I talk to people. That is where I get my information.
When I first moved here I heard that a few people went to the fair. That number has declined and I know more people now. I here the same story. The fair isn't as good as it used be. It gets smaller every year. The same stuff is there every year. There is not as many local stands. The entertainment isn't as good. The rides are junk and unsafe. There is violence and crime on the fairgrounds. Everything is so expensive. These things may or may not be justified and I am not saying any of them are true but it is peoples perception.
I may not know the fixed costs of the fair, but I do know people I know (middle class) don't patronize the fair like in years past. In my opinion the only reason the fair does as well as it does, is because the poor population in York city. My wife works in a urban center city school and many of her students talk about going to the fair. This particular school has a very high percentage of people on free or reduced lunches which should say they are poor.

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LB Shows Mini Midway
Thursday, September 9, 2010 5:19:50 AM
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...I may not know the fixed costs of the fair, but I do know people I know (middle class) don't patronize the fair like in years past...



That is a part of the problem right there and it has nothing at all to do with any aspect of the outdoor amusement industry. Middle class is disappearing. I consider my family to be middle class. We don't have much "entertainment/play" money at all, but when spring, summer, and fall roll around, our entertainment dollars are generally spent on midways rather than at movies, restaurants, etc.

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...There are so many places to spend your entertainment dollars these days the carnival is competing against movies, video rentals (those damn red boxes)video games and computer games just to name a few.



As Soda Guy pointed out, and another problem than, again, has nothing to do with the outdoor amusement industry, is a lot of competition. I blame the internet and TV. Both allow people to sit in their houses rather than get out and actually do something like go to a fair.

Movie theaters, some nightclubs, festivals all suffer because, as it seems, the general public doesn't go out as much as they used to. It's a shame too. No red box can cure this mark's fix for a good carnival!

*now stepping off soapbox.
JustJeff
Thursday, September 9, 2010 7:57:13 AM
I am a bit lower than middle class as far as income goes although my income fluctuates as I am in construction and it seems as though the phrase "feast or famine" is very appropriate ,at least lately..

The point of my reply is that I will make it a point to save for three or four events each year...The County fair,Chasco Fiesta,The Seafest and The State fair(not every year but the past two and definately the next)..I try to go to the county fair during the week when wristbands are cheaper,but I went on the weekend last year,to enjoy a longer time and did not mind paying extra..

I sometimes come across as a cheapskate on here,but a lot of that is done in jest--I will pay whatever they ask and never complain....I know the costs involved with the carnival firsthand(although I admit I do not know the committees costs)and I think that most of the time I feel as though my day spent at these events were a bargain...

I did make a comment on here one time that I thought 3 dollars for a one time slide down a Super Slide was a bit much and I am not backing down on that comment,but other than that for the most part,whatever they are charging is O.K. by me,I am happy to be able to go and spent time around the industry that I love so much....jeff