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The government is (supposed to be) the people. A jury is one area where that is still true. They use laws and guidelines to come to their decisions.



The government or "the state" is a separate but related entity from "the people of the United States". It was on July 4, 1776, and it is now. As is, I have more faith in a jury of peers to award just damages than I do congressmen and a president years previous to the grevious injury who are receiving funds for campaigning from the health care industry.

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The law now requires her to have private insurance. In fact, I bet they'll be taxed as a "Cadillac plan".



That may be the case. I don't know. It is sad but the world we live in because of private insurance's grip on America's media and politicians. Nothing is going to change any time soon.





The government is (supposed to be) the people. A jury is one area where that is still true. They use laws and guidelines to come to their decisions.

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If she's too ill for steady work, there's always medicaid. Its rather difficult to sit here and figure out how or why something isn't working based on anecdotal evidence



The law now requires her to have private insurance. In fact, I bet they'll be taxed as a "Cadillac plan".

At 42 years old, and with her husbands income, I don't believe she is eligible for medicaid.
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Of course it's possible. That's why I stated it as fact. He was charged by the hospital over 30Gs for 2 shots, bandages, and a phone number.



And its a very sad story, but I don't see private healthcare having any fix to this.

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And in this case, the jury is acting as representatives of the community, AKA the government.



The community is not the government, even if members of the government are part of the community and the government organizes a great number of aspects about the community. That being said, I put more faith in 12 jurors than I do the bodies of Congress or the President.

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No. The daughter is a minor, and the wife is too sick for a steady job. That's why they're so far in medical debt, despite wasting so much on insurance.



If she's too ill for steady work, there's always medicaid. Its rather difficult to sit here and figure out how or why something isn't working based on anecdotal evidence.


Of course it's possible. That's why I stated it as fact. He was charged by the hospital over 30Gs for 2 shots, bandages, and a phone number.

I'm not going to get into the problems of criminal courts. Anything further is irrelevant to this discussion.


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Not really. A group of peers (jury) determines damages.



And in this case, the jury is acting as representatives of the community, AKA the government.

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They don't have jobs and their own independent health care?



No. The daughter is a minor, and the wife is too sick for a steady job. That's why they're so far in medical debt, despite wasting so much on insurance.
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Originally Posted by: Bowler Roller 

The hospital, and it's nearby sister, in question has more operating rooms and surgeons than most. Apparently, none of them was good enough for the job.



That's very possible on that given day at that time. Surgeons specialize. Just because America has the best health care system in the world, as we all hear so often, doesn't mean care isn't managed.

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No.



Should we change sentencing guidelines then? If they can't get it right, maybe we shouldn't be putting people away for life or the death penalty. How would you feel about 20 year maximum sentences, a la Norway?

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In a civil case, the government does exactly that.



Not really. A group of peers (jury) determines damages. That's how the court system works. I put more faith in a jury of random people to determine damages based on a case by case basis than a hamfisted approach by the federal government. JMHO.

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He gets medicare, but his wife and daughter don't. This bill does nothing for them.



They don't have jobs and their own independent health care?
The hospital, and it's nearby sister, in question has more operating rooms and surgeons than most. Apparently, none of them was good enough for the job.

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Are criminal courts "done right"?



No.

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Maybe its me, but I don't see the government determining what my or my wife's life is worth monetarily being something indicative of a reduction in government's intrusion in my life.



In a civil case, the government does exactly that.

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Is he underage for SS benefits? No one makes too much money for Medicare



He gets medicare, but his wife and daughter don't. This bill does nothing for them.
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If we had robot doctors, we would then sue the builders, programers, maintenance companies, etc.

Also, are we suppose to have robot engineers, teachers, police officers, cooks, bus drivers, pilots, etc., etc.

Yes, if a doctor is high or drunk they are liable. They could also liable if there mind wasn't on their work, they were trying to rush through to get another patient, just tired because they had to stay up late to watch the big game, or maybe life's problems. As professionals, they should decline to give service if they are not up to being able to do it. Any professional is to do this even if it is woman that makes $5 an hour to cut your hair or a truck driver for a few examples. That is why states license many professions and one thing that is common with all professions is you have certain legal responsibilities to meet.

The issue with lawsuits is what is the life or injury really worth? Then add the lawyer fees on top it. Also, was it really the doctors fault? There are many unforeseen circumstances that a doctor could encounter. It is a very large gray area there. Then what is the life worth? Is an 85 year old grandfather's life worth the same as a 30 year old father of 2? How exactly do you calculate the value?
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Originally Posted by: Bowler Roller 

Google William Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak Mi, if you like.



They may not have had the surgeon available that day. Who knows? Hospitals don't work with everything operating and being available 24/7. That's not how medical care works.

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Done right, it protects the people. Done wrong, it hurts them. I have no confidence that it would ever be done right.



Are criminal courts "done right"? I bet there's some people with a different perspective on it. Ultimately, I don't like the idea that I should have my rights limited to damages incurred to me because it makes things cheaper. Maybe its me, but I don't see the government determining what my or my wife's life is worth monetarily being something indicative of a reduction in government's intrusion in my life. YMMV.

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Even retired, he makes way too much for "government insurance". In fact, this bill would further forbid him from dropping his insurance.



Is he underage for SS benefits? No one makes too much money for Medicare.

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I personally think the only time you should be allowed to sue the doctors or hospitals is if they were negligent as in doctor was drunk or high.



Says the guy who didn't have a surgical clamp left in him by a tech. Its not fun for me to sit and rifle through a million questions when a patient comes to our facility, but reducing liability or removing it doesn't make the world any better or safer. If you have a condition that could kill you by having a particular exam, would you prefer we screen for that or just let you crash on the table while telling you you're an idiot for not googling up the procedure you were having? Exactly.
I personally think the only time you should be allowed to sue the doctors or hospitals is if they were negligent as in doctor was drunk or high. That's just my opinion. Remember doctors are human just like us and do mistakes. If you want perfection then we better figure out some way to make robot doctors.
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Then they may lack specialists, plastic surgeons, etc. Being a hospital with a ton of beds doesn't make you a Level 1 Trauma Center.



Google William Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak Mi, if you like.

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Tort Law is a fancy term for civil law, AKA civil court. Anything that occurs in or through a court occurs through the government. Tort reform has absolutely nothing to do with protecting the general public against the rampant abuses of government. Tort reform, as it is generally pushed towards voters, is intended to convince them to limit their ability to use the civil courts to correct or receive damages from wrongs. It is very clearly and definitively a reduction in rights



Done right, it protects the people. Done wrong, it hurts them. I have no confidence that it would ever be done right.

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So it has nothing to do with the government. He'd be better off with government insurance, actually



Even retired, he makes way too much for "government insurance". In fact, this bill would further forbid him from dropping his insurance.
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